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Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Fri Jul 11, 2014 10:12 pm
by Smeggypants
Pentax compared to other brands

Feel free to start threads comparing other brands of cameras to Pentax. I think many would find that informative and useful. Discussion of other brands is both welcome and encouraged here. :)

Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:17 am
by Dr Orloff
How refreshing. The big question for me is how is Pentax going to respond to Fuji. I was first attracted to Pentax for compact, quality bodies and lenses. Fuji are now producing exactly that with excellent reviews and I have lost count of the number of lenses they have released while Pentax have come up with just one. Ricoh must play their hand soon.

Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Sat Jul 12, 2014 10:57 pm
by aliengrove
I hope so. The K3 has been a bit of a disappointment for me.

Re: Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 5:51 am
by Simonmac
Hello

It would seem that all brand owners look over the garden wall with awe and envy from time to time. I have.

It would appear to be a mix of 'can x brand help me take better photographs' and 'x brand has something mine doesn't'.

I recently bought a K5 iis and couldn't be happier. The speed and image quality are almost 'more than enough' for my photography.

The fuji cameras are clearly great but in my case I stuck with Pentax as I personally don't like the handling of the Fujis and still have a preference for an optical viewfinder. Just personal taste.

If I shot sport I may be looking at another brand, but not Fuji. Fuji, I think, is a prime lens camera (I think their, good, standard zoom unbalances bodies like the XE1/2- I tried them out). If you like shooting mainly with primes- wow!

But I guess Pentax does need to compete, but perhaps not by mimicking other brands. Fuji has something unique, but Penatx got there first?!

Cheers

Mac

Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 11:19 am
by Gravelrash
I have previously owned some breed of Fuji compact which is was great at the time for what I wanted.

Spurred on by the succes I got a Fuji bridge camera which was disappointing.

I bought the K-r due to price and compatability with old lenses that were common and reasonably priced. I didn't know much more than that but having recently used my Bro-in-laws 450D I'm glad I bought the Pentax. The Canon is aweful build quality and the kit lens is especially poor. Had I been blindfolded I would have believed I was holding a childs toy. Presumably I am comparing two manufacturers entry level DSLR's? I don't really keep up with the marketing.

the only thing to have crossed my interest radar is the new Olympus lineup. Like the look of the OM-D and hope they do well. Always had a soft spot for the Olympus brand.

Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 1:48 pm
by jimd
Except for a Zorki 4 in 1970 ( which I still have somewhere) , since 1972 I've never owned another make.

Re: Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 3:33 pm
by Gravelrash
jimd wrote:Except for a Zorki 4 in 1970 ( which I still have somewhere) , since 1972 I've never owned another make.



Pentax should be giving you a free K-3 for that kind of loyalty :)

Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2014 10:17 pm
by Smeggypants
Sure there'll be lots of cheap K-3's for sale when Pentax release a FF cam :)

Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Tue Jul 15, 2014 11:35 am
by Billabong
I started out with a Practica Nova and one 50mm lens. It's taken me forty years to afford my current Pentax kit.

Lots of interesting film cameras on the way though including remarkably fun Kodak Easyshares a dozen years a go as my first step into digital.

Expense stops me from buying Fuji's as well although i have played at the airport Dixon's. I hope they have better menus than my wife's Fuji compact now gathering dust. Impenetrable to find settings!

Re: Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 6:49 am
by jimd
Gravelrash wrote:
jimd wrote:Except for a Zorki 4 in 1970 ( which I still have somewhere) , since 1972 I've never owned another make.



Pentax should be giving you a free K-3 for that kind of loyalty :)



A 645Z would be nice :wink:

Re: Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 6:37 pm
by microlight2010
In DSLRs, I first used the *ist DS, and moved to a K-5 four years ago (after a brief flirtation with a X-90 bridge) which I am still delighted with. It's a better camera than I am a photographer! I have to say that the lens frenzy hasn't gripped me, and as such I don't have any issues with what other camera companies are doing. My kit is relatively simple: K-5 with 16-45 and 55-300 zooms (excellent lenses both), plus A50/1.4 and A28/2.8 primes if I'm feeling creative. Velbon tripod, from my film SLR days. No flash: hardly ever use it. Still use the *ist DS if I need two bodies, which is rarely. RAW shooter, processing in PDCU4 and Photoshop. I don't shoot in semi-darkness (although the K-5 is surprisingly good at this with both zooms), preferring landscapes and the like. As such, I have no urge at all to upgrade from the K-5!

I've only handled one Canon DSLR in recent years, and it didn't feel very good in the hands; not like the solid and secure K-5. A pal of mine has Nikon D7100 which he pairs with a superzoom: 18-250 or 300, or somesuch, which is on the camera all the time. (I won't ask the question of why bother with an interchangeable lens camera if you don't ... ?) The D7100 is bulkier and heavier than the K-5, and with the lens on, his combo is heavier than my K-5 with 16-45, plus the 55-300 in my pocket! It's no issue to swap lenses, and my camera has not yet suffered from a mucky sensor in four years due to the ultrasonic cleaning regimen. And there's my mate's D7100 which had to go in for service because even with the single lens on it, it got a mucky sensor!

Not really interested in a 35mm film-size sensor - I refuse to call it the mis-named 'full-frame' as there are frames a LOT bigger (oooooo controversial) - as the K-5's resolution is superb, and even my computer screen's HD resolution (which is where I process and view) is eight times smaller than the camera sensor is capable of. I haven't printed anything since my b/w days.

:thumb:

Re: Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:59 am
by Ian
Dr Orloff wrote:How refreshing. The big question for me is how is Pentax going to respond to Fuji. I was first attracted to Pentax for compact, quality bodies and lenses. Fuji are now producing exactly that with excellent reviews and I have lost count of the number of lenses they have released while Pentax have come up with just one. Ricoh must play their hand soon.



I couldn't agree more. The aps-c dSLR's (all of them, not just Pentax) essentially are FF bodies with an aps-c sensor. I undertand why Pentax decided to retain the film register distance when moving to digital but now they seem to be missing both boats (Full Frame & 28mm register distance aps-c e.g. Fujifilm) left high & dry with neither the advantages of FF or 28mm register. I don't want to go around saying the sky is falling in but I fear for the survival of Pentax the chances of which has looked poor for years but I really think they are coming to a point where it either there is a huge investment in new products or Pentax will become another corporate casualty, a victim of changing markets, poor management & under-capitalisation.

Re: Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:08 am
by Ian
aliengrove wrote:I hope so. The K3 has been a bit of a disappointment for me.



Why has the K-3 been a disappointment?
It's got some significant improvements over my K-5. I'm not chasing the 24Mp sensor but the improved exposure metering, improved WB, better continuous shooting frame rates (8, 5 & 3 v 7& 1.6 for the K-5. 1.6! - it's only useful for photographing grass growing............... :-( )

Re: Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:33 am
by Matty
Ian wrote:
aliengrove wrote:I hope so. The K3 has been a bit of a disappointment for me.



Why has the K-3 been a disappointment?
It's got some significant improvements over my K-5. I'm not chasing the 24Mp sensor but the improved exposure metering, improved WB, better continuous shooting frame rates (8, 5 & 3 v 7& 1.6 for the K-5. 1.6! - it's only useful for photographing grass growing............... :-( )



I love my K3, but not as much as the K5 which I do need to buy another one, But my Sony A7 is superb but don't love it.

Now if Pentax was to make an A7 :yippee:

Re: Pentax compared to other brands

PostPosted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 7:51 am
by aliengrove
Ian wrote:
aliengrove wrote:I hope so. The K3 has been a bit of a disappointment for me.



Why has the K-3 been a disappointment?
It's got some significant improvements over my K-5. I'm not chasing the 24Mp sensor but the improved exposure metering, improved WB, better continuous shooting frame rates (8, 5 & 3 v 7& 1.6 for the K-5. 1.6! - it's only useful for photographing grass growing............... :-( )




I don't need high frame rates for any of the photography I do, and I've never had any problems with the exposure metering on the K5: that's what the histogram is for. Plus, I got used to how it would perform in different conditions, to the point I can guess manual exposure pretty accurately. The K3 is definitely a worse performer at high ISO than the K5, and as a result is not as good at capturing detail in low-light. Noise is visible on ISO 100 shots at high magnification, which it's not on the K5. That noise is irrelevant in optimal conditions but can become a problem with extreme processing. I find I can lift more detail from very dark areas on K5 files than K3 ones. Plus, the DR on the K5 is a bit better. I find the WB worse than the K5's, to the point that it's almost impossible to get it correct with some aerial images. In low contrast scenes (ie haze), I've also found the K3 sensor has trouble differentiating similar shades of green.

On the plus side, the focus system is a lot better, and at low ISO it captures far more detail then the K5.