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Please help with some vey simple market research

PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 4:22 pm
by 1stEverPentax
On the 'space' issue...given that as you say much will be given over to photographic gear, personally I think many will struggle to fit a weeks clothing suitable for Iceland into cabin baggage...its one thing managing when you are off to the Greek Islands packing nothing more than t-shirts, shorts and a single long sleeve shirt and pair of long kecks but you need to pack for 3 seasons in Iceland and theres only so many layers you can wear on the plane and you'd have to wear your stout walking boots as well in mid July/August boarding at LTN, LGW, MAN ...

Do they not hire any 4x4 Ford Transit van type vehicles with 6-7 seats? Might find the overall economics better as well if you took 4-5 pax.

Karlo

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:30 pm
by Chris
Just wondering, what's happening to the cost, now that it's 8 days instead of four?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 6:55 pm
by ralphhardwick
Thanks for the comments guys.
Firstly, a trailer. This will add cost to the ferry trip and will make off-roading more inconvenient. However it is something I am researching as a last resort.

Packing for three seasons and wearing your hiking boots, in July, through the airports is exactly what we had to do on the recce. However, you are right, it wasn't fun :(

The cost of renting a suitable 4X4 would be £200 per day and that would only get me an unprepared pickup or unmodified land cruiser. We wouldn't have the tent, awning or cooking facilities. They don't make a 4X4 Transit. If they did I would probably have one :)

The price is still being worked out as we still haven't sorted our ongoing costs, nor how the VAT will work being in Iceland. However I am working on a dayrate principle. So, the original concept was 3-4 days times the dayrate and a seven day trip will cost 7 times the dayrate. I would be great to do it for the same cost but it just wouldn't be viable.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 7:52 pm
by Chris
About three grand for the week then. Not saying the day rate is unreasonable, but that's going to be quite a lot harder to find.

Would it not be possible to split the itinerary into two separate four day trips? I realise that means two lots of flights, so overall the value would be a bit less, but £3k is a week for people with deep pockets only.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 8:53 pm
by ralphhardwick
It won't be 3 grand :D

Much as that sounds nice :cool1:

The problem is the location of the airport. It's out on a limb, so returning to it restricts how far you can 'roam'. Some of the unique locations I have in mind require time. Otherwise you just end up spending hours driving on the main road rather than taking photos.

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 28, 2016 9:01 pm
by Smeggypants
You could always do a premium service for the richer clients where the hire of a helicopter is utilised. :)

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 6:05 am
by dpmiller
*cough* Sprinter 4x4.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 7:39 am
by ralphhardwick
dpmiller wrote:*cough* Sprinter 4x4.



I wondered if someone would mention that :roll: There's also the Iveco daily 4x4.

However I already have the Ford Ranger and don't have a spare 20k+ to spare :D

Smeggy, you may joke about a helicopter, but some tours actually include aerial photography. At £1300 per person for 3 hours it might just push the price up a bit :eek:

Seriously though, the luggage issue is a potential block to this working. Almost everything else is coming together:

I have planned the routes for 7 days.
The flights fit well from Luton and Manchester.
We've almost sorted the menu
We have all the camping spots located, including a couple of locations for wild camps
We pretty much know the dates: 16th July - 23rd, 23rd - 30th and 30th - 6th August

One of these may be a recce trip to the North West to visit Snaefellsness and the West fjords. This will be at a lower price as the route will not have been tried.

We may do one other on 3rd - 10th September to see if we can spot the Northern Lights.

We just need to sort the luggage issue :chin:

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 29, 2016 8:07 am
by Derek897
I don't think the amount of clothing you need or think you need to bring will actually be a problem, for the recce i brought way too many clothes, the forecast was actually fairly accurate and had i trusted it I could have done with a third less clothes than I packed.
For me, my wet gear was a godsend as although we had 2 wet days, they were far from cold. I was in shorts and Short sleeved
T shirt the 2nd day (its in the video) I would have been in them the 1st day too only I was wearing bulky stuff on plane.

Remember this is a Photography Adventure, in a 4x4, although you wont really be roughing it, you're not likely to be suited and booted either.
I would love to do it again, over 7 days, I honestly cant recommend this trip enough. (regardless of final cost)

Derek

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 4:56 am
by richandfleur
Any chance of hiring roof racks/roof storage box thingy?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:43 am
by ralphhardwick
Unfortunately the canopy that I have ordered to fit on the car is still in South Africa waiting to be shipped :stomp: much to my annoyance.
However it will look something like this:
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Our roof tent and spare tyre will be mounted on top of the canopy but there is a roof rack over the cab.
Half of the roof rack will be taken up with recovery equipment (waffle boards and maxtrax) the rest will have a Thule luggage bag like this:
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This will hold the client's sleeping bags and beds. There may be some room but not much. As such the roof will be pretty full :(
One hatch will give access to the 'kitchen' the other side will be the 'cargo' area where the client's luggage and camera equipment will go, so that it is easily accessible.
Below this, in the 'tub' will be the water tank, fridge/freezer, auxiliary battery, food supplies, our clothes, my camera equipment, extra fuel container, camp chairs, awning sides and a few other bits and bobs.
As you can see space will be at a premium :(

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 7:45 am
by dpmiller
If this is a business, and the Ranger is the wrong tool for the job, why would you NOT purchase the correct tool?

what about hiring a trailer over there?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:08 am
by ralphhardwick
The ranger isn't the wrong tool it is perfect for the conditions, the comfort, the terrain and for so many other things. There is just this one issue to resolve.

Bear in mind I have to use this vehicle for the remaining 48 weeks of the year for other things. Buying a sprinter, or iveco, and then modifying it to be suitable is totally cost prohibitive.

Hiring anything in Iceland is expensive and will add to the overheads. However the problem with a trailer is its off road capabilities and water tightness.

We will be driving through rivers that can be bonnet deep up to 4ft. The trailer would need to be completely watertight as well as heavy enough not the float or drift away in the glacial flow.

Once I have the canopy I can see how much room I will have to 'play' with. I may well have more than I think.

It may well be that we have to provide some warmer clothing and still restrict the clients.

It is clearly an issue I will have to consider carefully. Derek's point is valid. On the recce we had to carry all our camping equipment, camera stuff and clothing. I know that my clothing would easily have fitted into a second carry on bag.

As for wearing my boots through the airport, personally I didn't find this to be an issue.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 8:36 am
by aliengrove
On the recce trip I had my camera bag as hand luggage and checked in a bag weighing 18kg. Inside this bag was a tent, mattress and sleeping bag, which took up most of the space and weight. I also had a gas burner, two pots, plate,cup, cutlery, and some dried food. In addition I had a tripod in my checked luggage. I still returned home with a pair of shoes and some trousers I never used.None of the camping items will be neccessary on the trips Ralph is offering. I wore my boots on the plane, and was perfectly comfortable doing so. You can always take them off after take-off.

I don't think space is going to be a problem. It cost an extra 34 quid return for me to check in a bag; just check in a small bag, keeping the size and weight down as much as possible.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 30, 2016 9:30 am
by ralphhardwick
You're making me feel a lot better :D :thumb: